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GOOP’s misogynistic, mansplaining hit job

GOOP and Gwyneth Paltrow have a case of GOOPitis, which according to Dr. Steve Gundry is due to my potty mouthed facts. Or tomato skins. Or something. I find it all very disjointed, inadequately researched, bloated, and mansplainy.

I first saw this GOOP letter thing on the train back from a wonderful day in Manchester visiting with family (I’m over in the U.K. on holiday) when my phone almost blew up with Twitter notifications, partly because GOOP dedicated their first ever fighting words to little old me (apparently I have some gall suggesting women should not listen to second hand health advice from a ghost) and partly because even High Priestess Paltrow herself had descended from her bespoke, wooden vagina steaming throne to tweet about it among the mortals.

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Apparently GOOP thinks I am a “third-party” who critiques them “to leverage that interest and bring attention to” myself. This  opinion leads me to wonder if they have ever read what I write or even visited my blog? I was blogging about pseudoscience long before Paltrow first squatted over a pot of steaming allergens and leveraged her celebrity to draw attention to her website. In GOOPlandia having a newsletter, selling products, hosting a very expensive swellness summit, being on the cover of magazines, and appearing on Jimmy Kimmel is apparently not leveraging anything. This is Paltrow’s privilege and hers alone. I am curious to hear what exactly the ladies in waiting who edit GOOP think I am leveraging when I write posts about laws designed to curtail reproductive rights or punish women? Then again they don’t write those posts so they don’t see the abuse that follows. 

The editors at GOOP find me “strangely confident” in my “assertion that putting a crystal in your vagina for pelvic-floor strengthening exercises would put you in danger of getting Toxic Shock Syndrome—even though there is no study/case/report which links the two.” I am not strangely confident about vaginal health, I am appropriately confident because I am the expert. I did 4 years of medical school, a 5 year OB/GYN residency, a 1 year fellowship in infectious diseases, I am board certified in OB/GYN in 2 countries, I am board certified by the American Board of Pain Medicine and the American Board of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation in Pain Medicine and I am appropriately styled Dr. Jen Gunter MD, FRCS(C), FACOG, DABPM, ABPM (pain). A woman with no medical training who tells women to walk around with a jade egg in their vaginas all day, a jade egg that they can recharge with the energy of the moon no less, is the strangely confident one.

This assertion that jade eggs are safe because there is no reported case of toxic shock syndrome is not even acceptable for a grade 4 science fair project. The incidence of menstrual toxic shock syndrome is 1-2/100,000 so it would take a lot of jade egg wearing (meaning the kind of sales that bring tears to eyes of the team at GOOP) to get enough data. However, luckily I am an expert and I know basic science so can form a highly educated expert opinion. As an expert I know that introduction of microscopic amounts of oxygen is one very important step in menstrual toxic shock syndrome, by microscopic I mean the amount of oxygen trapped in a tampon’s fibers (organic cotton still traps oxygen, sorry GOOP) or the amount of oxygen that could be trapped in the microscopic crevices on a vaginal jade egg repeatedly exposed to a pH of 4-4.5 in the vagina. Or the kind of oxygen that could enter the vagina if a vaginal jade egg slides down to the introitus if wearing it while sleeping. What if someone using a jade egg is a producer of toxic shock syndrome superantigens (we know 1% of women are colonized vaginally with TSS-1 producing strains of Staph aureus) and the superatigens are reintroduced vaginally with air during jade egg insertion? These superantigens are quite resistant to heat, 10% bleach, and even dessication. In fact they can be reactivated one year later after drying out. So GOOP editors need to tell me scientifically how they know a jade egg can be cleaned of toxic shock super antigen without damaging the jade thus allowing more oxygen to be inserted with the next use. I haven’t even begun to talk about the impact of oxygen on lactobacilli.

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The jade eggs and tampons that feature in the GOOP post are conveniently located in the same screen for purchase. Speaking of tampons the GOOP editors are apoplectic that I could be “100 percent” certain that conventional tampons are safe. Of course when I write about toxic shock syndrome I address the very low risk with tampons, but here the GOOPsters are worried about glyphosate. If they had read my post on tampon safety they would know the WHO says the following about glyphosate:

…the absence of carcinogenic potential in rodents at human-relevant doses and the absence of genotoxicity by the oral route in mammals, and considering the epidemiological evidence from occupational exposures, the Meeting concluded that glyphosate is unlikely to pose a carcinogenic risk to humans from exposure through the diet.

It is possible that if GOOP got their tampon information from a gynecologist they would know that 40 years of exclusive tampon use would expose a woman to a maximum of 1 mg of glyphosate over her lifetime. According to European standards a 50 kg woman can safely eat 25 mg of glyphosate a day. A lifetime of heavy tampon use doesn’t approach the amount of glyphosate allowed for one day of oral intake. Pointing this out with snark is only mocking the person at GOOP who couldn’t be bothered to look it up. The science matters. Addressing GOOP errors like this one is not disrespecting women it’s pointing out the fucking truth.

I bristle the most at the idea that GOOP are the feminist keepers of the inner goddess and that I am a tool of the patriarchy. Suggesting that goat’s milk can cure parasites or that astrology has a role in mental health care is the exact opposite of empowering. This is subliminal messaging about fear and modern medicine and toxins and it drives people to waste money, get unindicated and often expensive testing, and even delay care. It is also cruel and quite simply makes everyone less informed. How can women possibly take away anything useful from a post that seems to promote anorexia for quick weight loss, or one that claims bras cause breast cancer, or the one that claims sea sponges are safe for menstrual hygiene, or the absolutely jaw-dropping advice that nitrosamine exposure from condoms could be carcinogenic?

How dare the editors of GOOP promote the idea that I somehow think women “are not intelligent enough to read something and take away what serves us, and leave what does not” when they present half-truths. The classic GOOP playbook is stoke fear with the names of dangerous sounding chemicals and then offer a “natural” cure (often found in their shop). For example with nitrosamines and condoms GOOP neglected to tell women that using 1 condom a week for 30 years results in about 0.9 microgram of absorbed nitrosamines and that animal studies suggest that topical application of about 1 g is a concern. So 30 years of condoms once a week is about one millionth of that single carcinogenic dose. Let me tell you kiddos bad information is the exact opposite of autonomy. How can women possibly take away anything useful when the crucial information about dose and the studies that show condoms reduce the rate of cancer are missing?

I also take umbrage at the idea that I have mocked women who desperately turn to the snake oil that GOOP sells. That is simply untrue. My ire has been directed squarely at the people spreading misinformation, especially if it is for profit. I blog to help women get better advice so they can be more empowered with their health. 

Women are of course free to do what they want with their bodies. I have walked that walk more than any actress, editor, doctor, naturopath, ghost whisperer, or jade eggthisiast at GOOP. I literally write about choice regularly, a subject absent from the self-proclaimed collection of feminists at GOOP. How dare someone who has never counseled a woman about a second trimester abortion never mind done one lecture me on choice and health.

Regarding Aviva Room I have frankly never heard of her, but she appears to be a vaccine skeptic so there’s that.

Dr. Gundry, however, is a special kind of patriarchal prick. I have devoted one sentence in my writing career to his pet project lectins and somehow this earned me a proper mansplaining about both potty mouth and evidence based medicine. Dr. Gundry even wants me to know he is pals with Dr. Oz (that is where I burst out laughing on the train), yes, he brags about being associated with the same Dr. Oz who was scolded by a Senate panel for abusing his national platform to push snake oil.

It gets better. Despite Gundry’s grandiose claims as the champion of peer review (this is the screenshot of some of his tedious mansplaining)…

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…he defends his work on lectins with an article published in the Journal of International Society of Microbiota (JISM), which isn’t even indexed.

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Indexing is a sign of a journal’s quality.  This JISM appears to be nothing more than a glorified syllabus that is available only to conference attendees. While he was mansplaining research ethics Gundry forgot to disclose the ongoing money he gets from drug companies. I don’t begrudge him the money from a patent, however, knowing someone has made almost $500k from Big Pharma over three years is a bias that is typically disclosed by someone as concerned with optics as Dr. Gundry. Feel free to look me up, but I’m not listed because I don’t accept Pharma money. 

As for the swearing? Dear God that was precious. Gundry accuses me of not Googling him (I did, that is how I found the Atlantic article), but clearly hasn’t read a thing about me. If you are going to accuse someone of shoddy Internet research perhaps you should have your own Google hygiene in order. Dr. Gundry is worried that swearing on my gynecologic blog might have an impact on “my child.” I have written about the number of children I have several times in blog posts that have been widely read. Here’s a hint it’s not one.

What is super funny about Gundry is that he seems unaware that the original post with the word fuck was a response to Paltrow actually saying “If you want to fuck with me, bring your A game.” She even brags that she has napkins with that phrase! Is Dr. Gundry not worried what might happen if Paltrow’s kids see those napkins? And Paltrow swore on Jimmy Kimmel. Is Dr. Gundry going to wash out Paltrow’s mouth with raw goat’s milk soap? Perhaps he is unaware she swears. Who knows?

What astounds me the most is that GOOP and Gundry have targeted me. After all Stephen Colbert has mocked GOOP mercilessly several times. Gizmodo blasted GOOP over the fake NASA band aids. Tim Caulfield wrote an entire book Is Gwyneth Paltrow Wrong About Everything. Jezebel has taken GOOP to task. The Atlantic put up a blistering piece about Dr. Gundry’s lectin hypothesis and supplement selling. Vox coined the phrase GOOPshit. Quartz said GOOP is simply bespoke Infowars. A study took Paltrow to task for recipes involving unsafe food preparation. Why do I get under GOOPs dry brushed skin? I am not anymore right than anyone else who has taken on GOOP and Paltrow, although a reporter from the New York Times once called me a gift from the quote Gods so it is possible that I have a unique way of quickly summing up what is wrong with GOOP in a relatable way. It is also possible that they think I am an easy target because I am just a chick with a blog as opposed to a man with a blog or a reporter with a national or even international reach or a talk show host who can leverage writers, a PR team and an audience of millions. In short, is it because they think they can bully me?

To GOOP I say medicine is not subjective. There are facts and biological plausibility. Of course there are unknowns, but not in the way you present it. For example it is fact that sea sponges contain dirt and are completely untested for menstruation. It is highly biologically plausible that sea sponges could have a significant risk of toxic shock syndrome as they may be more absorbent than tampons, may introduce more oxygen than tampons, and be impossible to clean in a way that removes the toxic shock syndrome toxin or even staph aureus. If you disagree with this information it doesn’t mean you have a different opinion it means you are choosing to be uninformed or the potential risk of being uninformed matters less to you. Subjective would be preferring tampons with a plastic applicator over a cardboard one.

To Dr. Gundry I say you are a textbook mansplainer. Your letter to me and your picture should really appear on the Wikipedia page for mansplaining. I have dealt with surgeons like you throughout my training, you didn’t bother me then and you don’t bother me now. I will not read your book, but I will be happy to read your research when it makes it to JAMA or NEJM or BMJ

Discussion

164 thoughts on “GOOP’s misogynistic, mansplaining hit job

  1. Excellent response to Bullshit. Paltrow & Gundry need to know that “Bullshit baffles Brains”

    Posted by Bill Gayton | July 14, 2017, 11:24 am
  2. Fantastic response! Good for you!

    Posted by Sarah Earl | July 14, 2017, 12:00 pm
  3. Thank you, Dr. Gunter.

    Posted by Necia | July 14, 2017, 12:04 pm
  4. I’ve waited almost 24 hours for your response. Well done!!!

    Posted by Laura G. | July 14, 2017, 12:07 pm
  5. Brilliant! Dr. Gunter, MD, FRCS(C), FACOG, DABPM, ABPM. I have an entirely science based girl crush on you.

    Posted by Heather | July 14, 2017, 12:12 pm
  6. They’re probably just scrambling to cover for the fact that they don’t yet have some overpriced objet de vagin for sale that counters being blinded by science.

    Posted by Spoken Like A True Nut | July 14, 2017, 12:20 pm
  7. Awesome I’m a GP In UK and this pseudoscience bollocks drives me mad. If you would like to start on the UK daily mail next that would be great.

    Posted by Jan | July 14, 2017, 12:39 pm
  8. I just love that Dr. Gundry was a CV surgeon who left practice to follow the teaching of a guy named “Big Ed”. Wow, just wow. I’ll stick with scientists, thanks.

    Posted by Howard Mell | July 14, 2017, 12:44 pm
  9. Congrats on getting under the skin of the charlatans so badly. Gundry has nothing useful to say, so he attacks you for using Paltrow’s verbiage (and then doesn’t even link to your post). To me, that sums up the quality of their response.

    And their choice to target you instead of one of the bigger fish out there betrays their cowardice.

    Posted by madder | July 14, 2017, 12:56 pm
  10. AAA+ post, sadly the good fight continues and shows no sign of letting up!

    Posted by ferniglab | July 14, 2017, 1:02 pm
  11. Okay, wait. He’s pointing out that his work is featured prominently in JISM? JISM?!? That’s the sort of acronym you get when you let a 13 year-old name your publication…

    Posted by Troy | July 14, 2017, 1:07 pm
  12. Ace.

    Posted by rainerliscious | July 14, 2017, 1:16 pm
  13. You are my hero today!!

    Posted by Robyn Lewis Brown | July 14, 2017, 1:17 pm
  14. Wow…kind of makes me wish things worked like in old-school cartoons. I’d like to see a grand piano’s weight worth of jade eggs FALL upon these crazies!

    Posted by syrbal-labrys | July 14, 2017, 2:37 pm
  15. Whoa, I bet they didn’t believe you would be able to come back so strong. So many good points. I love your last sentence. That’s the way to get under his skin, I bet.

    Posted by bri65 | July 14, 2017, 2:44 pm
  16. That’s just awesome.

    Posted by jsnape | July 14, 2017, 2:47 pm
  17. loved this. But – you are feeding the trolls. and Gwenyth? well, she has such nice teeth and a voice that coos…… (yes, coos, like a dove). So, of course she is an expert. She is selling love and her approval. I agree about Gundry’s “mansplaining” – what would be the gender-specific equivalent for a woman who uses her alluring image to entice people to part with their money for an illusion?

    Posted by Joe Niemczura, RN, MS | July 14, 2017, 2:51 pm
    • FYI – there wouldn’t be a equivalent to mansplainig for a women, under the definition you gave, because the definition of mansplaning has absolutely nothing to do with allure, enticement or illusions. So saying you agree seems to be suspect. Mansplaining is when a man patronizingly presumes to explain something to a woman, who clearly has the expertise/experience to be better informed on the subject than he is. Like when a quack tries to explain how event peer review works to an internationally board certified OB/GYN.

      What you are describing is one who sells snake oil, so while a snake-oil salesman is the most common term, the female term would obviously be snake-oil saleswoman. Surprisingly, of the vast amount of English words which are inherently masculine or feminine in their usage, there aren’t many words for a charlatan, a con artist, a grifter, etc. which are gender specific at all. I’m guessing because it served the purposes of men for those terms to be easily to apply to all genders.

      Posted by FemmeAppeal | July 15, 2017, 1:03 am
  18. Keep up the good work! You make me happy, and proud to be an obgyn!

    Posted by Becky Hunt | July 14, 2017, 2:55 pm
  19. I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS!!!

    Posted by Stef | July 14, 2017, 2:58 pm
  20. THIS. Well put, Dr. Gunter!

    Posted by Anna Seifried | July 14, 2017, 3:09 pm
  21. I read about this stupid mansplaining and the rest, on Respectful Insolence, earlier today. I’m glad to see your response here. I suspect that Colbert might be too big a target, even for Paltrow.

    JISM, indeed. I guess it goes with jade eggs.

    Posted by Ellie | July 14, 2017, 3:13 pm
  22. “GOOP is simply bespoke Infowars” love this

    Posted by anthony l brennan (@anthony_brennan) | July 14, 2017, 3:17 pm
  23. Brava, Doctor. If you take care of your patients with the same genius as you do the English language, they are in good hands.

    Posted by Mr. Mix | July 14, 2017, 3:45 pm
  24. Gwyneth Paltrow has always been pretentious as hell, but now she’s just obnoxious. I’m starting to think she’s mentally unhinged, if she actually believes her own bullshit.

    Posted by Courtney M. Bolton | July 14, 2017, 4:09 pm
  25. You are a God of big responses, no question! I am heartily sick of non scientific bullshit that passes for extra super duper good care of oneself. And I am forever in the camp of any doctor who actually provides medical care in the form of an abortion.

    Posted by Jean Louise Finch | July 14, 2017, 4:21 pm
  26. My wife has pelvic floor problems. She pees herself if she laughs too hard. She has had two children and doesn’t feel like herself in a lot of ways.

    Any suggestions? I just want my wife back.

    Posted by Husband in London | July 14, 2017, 4:55 pm
    • Pelvic floor physiotherapy. Surprised the health visitors never mentioned it.

      Posted by KP | July 15, 2017, 8:08 am
    • I had a similar problem. Pelvic floor exercise didn’t work. But I started regular exercises for other reasons (general health and fitness). At first I needed a pad to do jumping jacks, but after a few weeks I realized I was no longer leaking. Now I can run with no problems.

      Posted by Anat | July 17, 2017, 3:24 pm
  27. Good for you for sticking up for women’s health! People can be very defensive about alternative cures and holistic theories, but there’s a fine line between tolerance and allowing dangerous ideas to spread.

    I’ve taken heat for questioning at-home childbirth, for example. I’m no expert (unlike you), but common sense says that women used to die in childbirth all the time and it’s clearly dangerous to be away from medical professionals and their tools if something goes wrong…

    We need people who know what they’re talking about to weigh in on the wild jungle of misinformation, so thank you!

    Posted by erinb9 | July 14, 2017, 6:14 pm
  28. Great response to the goopy bullies! Since the brand is now tarnished, likely they saw a big dip in their sales and need to drum up business.

    Did you read the disclaimer at the end of the article? and the JISM? OMG LOLz for days 😀

    Posted by Melanie | July 14, 2017, 8:04 pm
  29. That was the most unexpectedly educational read I’ve had in a long time. I love to learn but you drew me in with your writing and bam before I knew it I was balls deep into the world of Hollywood, American healthcare, “natural” vs. professional medicine, boards of authority and the ethics of four letters arranged to express oneself. I assure you, my applauding your excellent communication skills and necessary handling of this experience can be in no way relevant, as I have no particular skills in literally any of the information you have provided. But great fucking job, honestly I loved reading that story and I hate celebrity, biology, and suggested things to read on my google news haha. So I must say your badass and sorry if you can’t get your message across to the ones that really matter. thanks
    P.s sorry again for the length of said comment and sorry for the amount of sorries’ eh!

    Posted by Bremen Lang | July 14, 2017, 8:11 pm
  30. So glad that you’re here to explain Goopshit away. So thankful that there’s a proper legit resource in you as a DOCTOR. Hopefully more Goop readers will be exposed to your blog now and can now make informed decisions!

    Posted by Mariyah | July 14, 2017, 8:28 pm
  31. “I will not read your book, but I will be happy to read your research when it makes it to JAMA or NEJM or BMJ.”

    Yesssssss

    Posted by Maggie | July 14, 2017, 9:18 pm
  32. Yaaaas! Go get’em tiger! Representing MDs everywhere!

    Posted by Glenda | July 14, 2017, 11:00 pm
  33. Poor Gwyneth, science is being mean to her, what with its typical disciplinary commitment to public health and evidence based decisions… !

    Glad you were able to do such a great and calm comeback.

    Posted by allisplay | July 14, 2017, 11:51 pm
  34. I wonder if `Dr` Gundry has read the DISCLAIMER on the GOOP website ?
    It says (shorter version ) that if the products don`t work you cannot blame GOOP .

    Posted by Jim | July 15, 2017, 12:13 am
  35. I’m surprised she hasn’t been sued for trademark violations: this has been around longer than she’s been alive. https://t.co/FaXeQk2GqX

    Posted by texarcana2002 | July 15, 2017, 12:51 am
  36. Think we can convince Jenny McCarthy that GOOP causes autism and the two of them can just duke it out until they both go away?

    It’s unfortunate, because actors, musicians, writers, etc. who do back good science, evidence-based medicine, humanitarian causes or progressive solutions-based policies, get so much bullshit about how they should stick to acting and not speak about things ‘above their pay grade’ as it were. And the twits – sorry, the twats – like Paltrow provide the ammunition for those arguments. If she’d ever bothered to learn word-one about the actual science she’s meddling in, she would apologize to every woman she’s fleeced and risked the health and well-being of.

    Thank you for being a voice of reason in this miasma of misinformation.

    Posted by FemmeAppeal | July 15, 2017, 1:13 am
    • Well, the mineral Jadeite is aluminium rich and we all know that aluminium is the current object of hate among anti vaxxers/autism conspiracists. Only needs the seed sowing.

      Posted by Peter S | July 15, 2017, 4:01 am
    • I don’t think Paltrow would like it but there is a great similarity, snake oil-sales wise, with the rise to prominence of Donald Trump. He was also ‘an entertainer’ who portrayed himself as an expert on everything while selling Americans a complete and utter bill of goods.Well done Dr.Gunter for exposing this for-profit psycho-babble garbage.

      Posted by Vicki O'Brien | July 18, 2017, 4:43 pm
  37. Everything about this is fan-fucking-tastic. I am hard pressed to pick a favorite line. I know it might suck for you, but I’m glad they targeted you because damn, girl, I don’t envision anyone else taking the GOOPers to school like you just did.

    Thank you.

    Posted by Shea Grimm | July 15, 2017, 2:25 am
  38. Boom!

    Posted by Eduardo | July 15, 2017, 2:37 am
  39. Well done! Love your blog.

    Posted by Shabbir Esaa | July 15, 2017, 3:38 am
  40. Reblogged this on castinbronze and commented:
    This was an absolute pleasure to read, thank you!

    Posted by castinbronze | July 15, 2017, 4:14 am
  41. Reblogged this on Manang Bok's House and commented:
    GOOP=Goliath (hello! this is Gwyneth Paltrow with her army of publicists and really, I am supposed to believe that her very polished, very merchandising blog does not even have one professional multimedia expert at the helm?),
    Dr. Jen Gunter=David

    goop.com = alternative facts,
    drjengunter.wordpress.com = evidence based facts (or at least she is honest about where her claims come from;
    and really, honesty, should be the core value of every scientific endeavor)

    I am reblogging this as my contribution to stopping the spread of pseudoscience and ridiculous ideas from people who think that they can away with it because they are Big Celebrity and have the advantage of multiple media platforms to infect others with their toxic memes*.

    * “meme” is a very recently invented word, defined as “an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture” (Wikipedia). It was coined by Richard Dawkins in his book “The Selfish Gene”. Recently, the Internet has been the culprit of propagating highly infectious memes — goop being one of them.

    Posted by manangbok | July 15, 2017, 4:29 am
  42. OMG! Thank you Dr. Gunter for this piece. I cringe every time I hear Paltrow hawking the “natural” beauty products she endorses. I cannot believe that intelligent women would fall for her jade egg carrying & vagina steaming crap.
    I am definitely going to start following your blog!
    F-bomb users unite!

    Posted by Janet Lopez Urban | July 15, 2017, 5:05 am
  43. Thank you for this.

    Posted by Melissa | July 15, 2017, 5:17 am
  44. Good on you Dr Jen. We need more excellent female doctors and scientists to help and empower women.

    Posted by M walters | July 15, 2017, 5:28 am
  45. Absolutely brilliant! And good on you for not being bullied by these clowns.

    Posted by Christine Jelbert | July 15, 2017, 6:02 am
  46. This turned up in my news feed, and I had no prior knowledge of what led to the article because I so seriously avoid pop culture. It was perhaps the best thing I’ve read in years and my nerdy scientific heart was deeply impressed with your candor, knowledge, and professional yet appropriately bitchy slap-back. Thank you.

    Posted by Hope Smith | July 15, 2017, 6:14 am
  47. Just who I’d go to for advice on vaginal health: an old retired CV surgeon guy. Everything south of the diaphragm is a mystery to him, I’m sure. I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve been insulted or patronized by a CV surgeon. Of course when they want a new central line placed in their patient at 2 AM they deign to ask for me.

    Posted by Christopher Johnson (@ChrisJohnsonMD) | July 15, 2017, 6:17 am
  48. From a fellow health professional and a women who is simply over mansplainers – thank you, thank you, thank you. I could add more but I believe that conveys it all.

    Posted by Elizabeth Smith | July 15, 2017, 7:00 am
  49. As they said in the fleet (in my Navy Daze): Bravo Zulu! If you don;t speak FlagHoist, that means “Well Done”

    Posted by secmilchap | July 15, 2017, 7:16 am
  50. Wow. Relatable. Smart. Real. Thank you, Dr. Gunter. We need people like you to combat the ridiculous. Yep, by “ridiculous” I mean Paltrow and Goop.

    Posted by Carrie Gray | July 15, 2017, 8:13 am
  51. You preach the choir, just as they do. Dr Gunter, Patrow, etal are only fortifying their base.

    BUT they only defend an existing base. Whereas you build up a structure for the future. Because reality needs to be easily accessible by those who don’t know and are looking for answers. So these blogs matter.

    And outrage needs to clicked in order to push regulations and get the snake oil and it’s charlatans off the shelf and out of our sight. These fights matter.

    So they can bleat and their bleating will make their devoted buyers feel more comfortable. But you are building toward change and their destruction.

    Posted by itsathought2 | July 15, 2017, 8:28 am
  52. PREACH! There are 2k bad ass OBGYNs who have your back!

    Posted by Sara | July 15, 2017, 10:48 am
  53. Thank you Dr. Gunter.

    Posted by Mike B | July 15, 2017, 12:15 pm
  54. Simply brilliant. Happening across this article made my Saturday complete. Thanks, and keep fighting the good fight against ignorance.

    Posted by Greg Perkins | July 15, 2017, 12:37 pm
  55. Excellent response.

    Posted by Lydia | July 15, 2017, 12:55 pm
  56. You GO, Girl…I mean, seriously, this article should put to bed the ridiculousness of GOOP using pseudoscience and pseudocredentials to hide the fact that they are basically just trying to sell shit to the masses for whom they clearly have much disdain. Well done DOCTOR for sticking to the facts and laying it all out in simple terms. Sadly, I’m certain GOOP won’t take this lying down, jade egg insertion notwithstanding. Hang in there and thank you Dr. Gunter for fighting nonsense with knowledge.

    Posted by gcmrspeel | July 15, 2017, 1:04 pm
  57. And people wonder why reproductive rights are under attack? Because idiots like Gwinnie shovel crap to women who need education, not Jade eggs. I solemnly swear never to steam, starch, fold or insert rocks into any orifice, so help me Dr. Jen!

    Posted by Stefanie | July 15, 2017, 1:24 pm
  58. Hang in there, Dr Jen. Science always wins.

    Posted by DJ | July 15, 2017, 2:24 pm
  59. I love you ❤

    Posted by Kristen from MA | July 15, 2017, 2:39 pm
  60. You. Are. So. Awesome.

    Posted by _KK_ | July 15, 2017, 3:47 pm
  61. Can one be a “Wielder of the Lasso of Truth” and also Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, First of Her Name, the Unburnt, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, and Mother of Dragons at the same time?

    It seems that you burnt down Dr. Gundry’s house as you rode that train through England!

    Posted by rekster | July 15, 2017, 3:50 pm
  62. He honestly cited JISM to support, nevermind, I’m laughing so hard I can’t type.

    Posted by libertyspikes101 | July 15, 2017, 4:00 pm
  63. Dr. Gunter, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the airing of factual health information. One request, if you would be so kind-citing the studies behind some of your numbers, such as the quantity of nitrosamines that prove hazardous to one’s health. Thanks!

    Posted by Michael LaMendola | July 15, 2017, 4:57 pm
  64. “You don’t bother me” is an odd position to come to after 10,000 words.

    Posted by Xx | July 15, 2017, 5:12 pm
  65. I’m a gay man and the son of medical professionals and I regularly check your blog because facts matter and you have them. Thank you for giving the REALNESS to the hyper privileged Paltrow and her money hungry minions. They are the antithesis of feminism and women’s health.

    Posted by realness | July 15, 2017, 5:44 pm
  66. This is SO GOOD!!!

    Posted by Jen Lara | July 15, 2017, 7:24 pm
  67. Who really gives a fuck?

    Posted by Marko | July 15, 2017, 7:27 pm
  68. Thanks to your writing, I feel inspired to say that today after reading these posts, I have begun to try to stop fasting and fasting and then inevitably binging from fear based propaganda like goop, which I am not going to read any longer… . Thank you for your candor and telling the truth. To those merchants of anxiety, happy to say that this fucking doctor has helped me a whole fucking lot, f-bombs and all, because of her integrity and expertise.

    Posted by Still Scared | July 15, 2017, 7:36 pm
  69. Thanks Doc. In a world diving into unreason that is attacking the very concept of knowledge your post is a shining light. Hopefully your beacon will help a lot of people move their ships away from the dangerous ignorance rocks.

    Posted by dandare2050 | July 15, 2017, 7:43 pm
  70. Not only is Gundry an obnoxious idiot, it looks like he’s grossly misrepresenting his academic work.

    In his letter, he claims: “But, since you did not do even a simple Google search of me before opening your mouth, let me give you a brief history: I have published over 300 papers, chapters, and abstracts on my research in peer-reviewed journals and have presented over 500 papers at peer-reviewed academic meetings.”

    Yet, a PubMed search for him reveals just 136 citations, only 2 of which are more recent than 2004. The other 134 citations are all for his surgical work/research, occurring before his conversion to pseudoscientific nutrition hogwash. So it would seem that either he is lying about his publications, or he is bragging about publishing in bogus, predatory journals that mainstream medicine won’t even index. And I don’t know which would make him seem more pathetic.

    Posted by Eric Strong (@DrEricStrong) | July 15, 2017, 8:26 pm
  71. Mansplaining? Really? The guy works for a woman who wants to secure her million dollar enterprise. It’s Corpsplaining.

    Posted by Michael | July 15, 2017, 11:24 pm
  72. You have so much patience with this moron and her team. I would slap her with a big “fuck you lady”.

    Posted by Ana-Cristina | July 16, 2017, 12:57 am
  73. I love you! It’s good to know that there are intelligent, straight-talking, funny women taking the time to put things right! As a clinical psychologist I appreciate you balanced explanation of research evidence and the ‘facts’. How insidious that this GOOP bullsh#t is out there, twisting the facts, omitting evidence, influencing people, and preying on their concerns to line Paltrow et al’s pockets. It’s so easy to be manipulated and feel scared when you read that tampons contain toxins etc. I hope that your words are read widely and the balance is redressed; one insightful, hilarious blog post at a time!

    Posted by Jessie Gough | July 16, 2017, 5:24 am
  74. Ur my hero

    Posted by Dr Hugh Calder | July 16, 2017, 7:38 am
  75. Even if well intentioned and not just a cynical money grab – pseudo science harms people. As someone who suffered from major anxiety and depression for the first 30 years of my life I fell victim to any number of people who offered sexy answers dressed up in ancient cultures. Stop eating X, practice Y. I went through the gamut. It was only when my health was completely failing me and desperation set in that I sought actual un-sexy medical help that finally brought me the major relief I had been seeking.

    Pseudo science doesn’t just harmlessly provide an alternative to people who want to try unconventional medical approaches – it creates a large amount of noise targeting people at their most vulnerable – reducing their chances of finding treatments that work. Paltrow – living in an incredibly privileged position that was gained no doubt more through chance than any other factor – may have the time and resources to waste on shamans and ancient weeds. Inducing those in a far less privileged position to spend their limited resources on similar pursuits is shameful.

    Posted by JJ | July 16, 2017, 10:47 am
  76. Regarding Aviva Room I have frankly never heard of her, but she appears to be a vaccine skeptic so there’s that.

    Err, the correct term is “anti-vaccine kook.”

    Emphatic concurrence otherwise.

    Posted by Azkyroth | July 16, 2017, 1:41 pm
  77. Thank you – a million thank yous! I haven’t read Goop in years and can’t believe they have the audacity to make these claims. I see this in the nutrition field all the time too. I don’t understand this distrust of science and trust in total charlatans. Please keep up the good work!

    Posted by Denise Canellos | July 16, 2017, 2:17 pm
  78. This was a joy to read. So good to see a real doctor take on the quacks so devastatingly.

    Posted by John Phillips | July 16, 2017, 2:39 pm
  79. Dr Gunter you are a legend.

    Posted by Sally | July 16, 2017, 2:43 pm
  80. Right on!

    Posted by M. Pius, MD | July 16, 2017, 2:56 pm
  81. I wonder what ER doctors say when the string breaks and some woman Shows up for egg retrevial … let’s be honest here it’s gonna happen. … Women who take this advise make us all look bad, I’m mean really, how stupid are you to shove a chunk of rock up there …all rocks are porous to some degree or another … mind boggling!

    Posted by Sheila | July 16, 2017, 5:39 pm
  82. Best.Takedown.Ever. Thanks, Dr. G

    Posted by karlsonkinwordpres | July 16, 2017, 7:58 pm
  83. Hello Dr Gunter, what is your standpoint on the lectins that Dr Gundry talks about in his article? I am interested in the idea that the seeds and skin of the nightshades are the main issue with these types of foods?

    Posted by Janet Hanson | July 17, 2017, 4:06 am
  84. You are truly my new hero. Science and commerce aren’t always the best bedfellows – and your amazing response (along with Dr Gundry’s acerbic vitriol) just further highlights how you have rocked their proverbial gravy train.

    Posted by Sandra Schemmer | July 17, 2017, 5:47 am
  85. Brava! Thank you for this fearless, badass, sane, knowledgeable, response to that ridiculous piece from Paltrow, Gundry and their minions at Goop. Keep up the great work.

    Posted by jasminems7 | July 17, 2017, 5:52 am
  86. Thanks GOOP and Paltrow for bringing me to this blog and this fantastic author! I had literally never read anything on this blog before, but now it is getting a bookmark!

    Posted by atreat | July 17, 2017, 6:35 am
  87. Thank you so much for this article and sticking up to and exposing such a well- oiled machine as GP / Goop.
    I enjoy aspects of ‘wellness’ and certainly don’t believe western medicine is the be all and end all yet also have a healthy scepticism to certain ‘wellness’ elements that are obviously not backed up by any kind of research.
    I occasionally read GOOP and have at times enjoyed their point of view however after this I will never read or purchase anything from them again.
    This is bullying pure and simple coupled with rank hypocrisy and patronising mansplaining BS.
    Absolutely foul behaviour especially coming from a supposedly “feminist” business.

    Posted by Capricorn35 | July 17, 2017, 6:49 am
  88. That was glorious. Thank you for all you do.

    Posted by Tyler Black | July 17, 2017, 7:40 am
  89. Love this! You are a superhero!

    Posted by Evie Apricots | July 17, 2017, 8:42 am
  90. Brava, doc!

    Posted by Amy | July 17, 2017, 9:29 am
  91. Thank you for taking the time to respond to a post so outlandish I couldn’t finish reading it with the correct level of outrage. I used to think Goopy was funny when she was peddling gold plated blenders, but the joke is over. She is dangerous.

    Posted by qriffic | July 17, 2017, 9:36 am
  92. Came from Neurologica. This post is brutal and deserved!

    Posted by Paul de Boer | July 17, 2017, 9:50 am
  93. You should be able to answer a silly statement like that one without using buzzwords like “misogyny” and made up terms like “mansplaining”. Unscientific thinking has no gender and it should not be necessary to be sexist in order to debunk it. I completely agree with the points you raise but I would expect less populism from a professional.

    Posted by Paris Zane | July 17, 2017, 10:37 am
  94. This is awesome. You are awesome. Thank God for educated women. I have long been troubled by Gwyneth’s horrible advice to women in so many areas. I am so thankful you have provided the scientific basis for standing up to her. Good for you. Do not be bullied.

    Posted by Heather | July 17, 2017, 10:38 am
  95. This is brilliant, thank you. 🙌🏻

    Posted by Leah | July 17, 2017, 10:43 am
  96. So glad that the publicity for Goop’s ridiculous hit job enabled me to find your blog! Following you now. 🙂

    Posted by robotisred | July 17, 2017, 10:53 am
  97. Excellent post! Thanks for being one of the crusaders out there who try to put useful and correct information out there for the masses. In addition to them attacking your opinion and credibility, do any of them actually know what’s in the products they peddle? Probably not because they just hear it’s “natural” and has the “healing powers of crystals”. But if they did, would they actually be willing to put it in their vaginas?

    For example, let’s discuss the infamous jade eggs. Jade is a term that is used for both a mineral and and rock (not the same thing) that have a specific distinctive colour. The mineral, known as jadeite, is a type of pyroxene that has fairly benign elements in it. But…jade eggs are often not made from jadeite and can be made from other pyroxene minerals that have things like vanadium, chromium, zinc and other elements in its structure. So in other words, things that shouldn’t be in your vagina. The other thing that is sometimes called “jade” is a type of rock called nephrite. Nephrite is used for this very thing because it can be easily carved and polished and has things like tremolite and actinolite in it. Remember those last two things because those two minerals have relatives that show up in the asbestos group minerals. *GASP*. So could all jade eggs have asbestos in them? Probably not but it is possible.

    Aside from all of these random things I just wrote about though is the fact that, despite being smoothly polished and rounded, these “eggs” are porous and have fractures and micro-fractures within them. Holes and cracks that maybe had hidden things in them before you introduced them into your body. Or holes and cracks that now have things left in them after you introduced them to your body. On top of that, the pH of your vagina and its secretions is acidic and could actually etch the surface over time, leading to more fractures, flaking of the object and hidey-holes for bacteria and other gross things.

    How do I know all this stuff about jade eggs???!!! Is it magic? Sorcery? My third or inner eye? Wikipedia? No, I’m a geologist (that’s H.BSc, M.Sc, and Ph.D for anyone who’s asking). So for all the scientists, medical professionals and smart people who make informed decisions that commented in this thread, you’re awesome. And to those like Dr. Jen who blog and push people to ask questions and research things from reliable sources, keep doing you.

    Posted by Lyndsay Moore | July 17, 2017, 1:08 pm
  98. Dr. Jen Gunter MD, FRCS(C), FACOG, DABPM, ABPM (pain)

    Gwyneth Paltrow, SAG/AFTRA

    Which one would seem to logically have better grasp of the reality of science and medicine in the real world?

    Posted by Jami | July 17, 2017, 2:37 pm
  99. You go, GRRL!!! Excellent retort!!!! Thank you!

    Posted by Kit Chen-Boyce | July 17, 2017, 4:07 pm
  100. Awesome post!

    Posted by Electric Monk | July 17, 2017, 7:51 pm
  101. Excellent response. So well written. Of course, I assume they will ignore all of your points because they would have to admit that they are idiots, which, of course, they are. I enjoyed it and I am sure many others who read this will find it very informative. Thank you!

    Posted by nancy | July 17, 2017, 8:42 pm
  102. Keep fighting the good fight. The world is your stage. Show them that bullies fronting corporate interests don’t have the power they once did, and we’re on to them.

    Posted by Amanda Wheaton | July 17, 2017, 8:46 pm
  103. Fantastic blog! I had no idea who you were, so I
    went your website. I had a chuckle when I read you were from Winnipeg! Me too – off and on! I knew there must be some prairie girl take no bullish-t in you! I am a retired health care professional , albeit with no exciting letters after my name. I worked with people who were dealing with Eating Disorders. Goop and the like have always irritated the hell out of me! They are dangerous purveyors of deception. So Well done! Thank you! I will definitely be reading your future blogs.

    Posted by Marni | July 17, 2017, 8:59 pm
  104. Dr. Gunter, you are my new hero. Holy crap what a takedown!

    Posted by Daniel | July 17, 2017, 10:45 pm
  105. Great response. But, how I wish you didn’t have to waste your time on material that is so absurd and contrary to good sense.

    Posted by Disgruntled | July 17, 2017, 11:20 pm
  106. Well done, I loved the whole piece – it’s just such a shame there are so many gullible people who willingly put themselves at risk.

    Posted by Beverley Gray | July 18, 2017, 5:49 am
  107. BOOM! *mic drop*

    Posted by Gun | July 18, 2017, 7:29 am
  108. A mansplainer bragging about how he shared his jism at a conference is pretty funny. Also, screw these patronizing pricks.

    Posted by Anon | July 18, 2017, 9:21 am
  109. Nice one Doc! You are a true soldier for science. 😀

    Posted by jason | July 18, 2017, 10:52 am
  110. WOW. New around here and might I just say I think I’m in love??? Such a terrific and articulate read. So much YAY!!

    Posted by Angela | July 18, 2017, 2:34 pm
  111. Thank you for this fantastic post. I followed a link from Ophelia Benson’s blog and am glad to have found your blog.

    Posted by Robin | July 18, 2017, 4:11 pm
  112. Thankfully I read the goop email to learn about you! I will be following your blog from now on. Thanks for the facts and for standing up for yourself! Science is everything.

    Posted by LKH | July 19, 2017, 5:56 am
  113. I haven’t been following this story all that much but this was an incredibly badass teardown that made me want to read up on it. Dr. Gunter, in a just world I think responding to this type of BS and these sorts of charlatans would all be beneath you but I guess we’re all lucky that you don’t feel the same way.

    Posted by Chris Peters | July 19, 2017, 7:35 am
  114. Doctors are supposed to do no harm, so Dr. Gunter should probably lose her license for this litany of sick burns against a defenseless asshole.

    Posted by Lofgren | July 19, 2017, 8:15 am
  115. Needs more potty-mouth.

    Posted by Limited Zap (@LimitedZap) | July 19, 2017, 1:00 pm
  116. Thank you for saying it like it is, repeatedly. I remember after the election you said you would devote yourself to debunking fake news. You are debunking fake health marketing like a master! “A gift from quote Gods”. You say it like it is, with evidence base and scientific plausibility. You fulfill a powerful and necessary role in this world!

    Posted by koharjones | July 19, 2017, 1:06 pm
  117. I get that you are defending what you think is right, but the internet is filled with info that may or may not be accurate. Going after goop etc. won’t change that. But it certainly does get publicity.

    Posted by Monica | July 19, 2017, 7:41 pm
  118. I’ve never read anything you wrote before until my friend Rory posted one of your blogs. I had to join WordPress and follow you. You are one of my heroes now. Thank you for the science. I am so tired of the bullshit and lies spread basically to make a buck with absolutely no science to back it up or worse bad science that no one listens to and could be dangerous for you. You are awesome just awesome keep fighting the good fight! I honestly think people like you saved lives.

    Posted by Jenny PezDeSpencer | July 20, 2017, 12:56 am
  119. I wish more physicians would tear into pseudoscientific bullsh*t the way you do. While we can’t always fix the stupid, putting a blinding spotlight on it tells our patients we care enough to protect them from it.

    Posted by cphickie | July 20, 2017, 5:51 am

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