you're reading...
Politics and medicine

I’m a doctor and there is no evidence that HiIlary Clinton has a secret illness or seizures

The assertion that Hillary Clinton has undisclosed health issues is moving from the fringes of the Internet to the mainstream.

Trump, Fox News, and even Dr. Drew have been fanning the flames. Sean Hannity displayed his obsession with a video clip of Clinton that he thought displayed “uncontrollable” “violent, violent repetitive jerking of the head.” He also claimed the reporter pulled back and “got scared.”

Rudy Giuliani advised people to Go online and put down “Hillary Clinton illness,” and take a look at the videos for yourself.

So I followed Giuliani’s advise (a first time for everything, I suppose).

This is not a seizure. However, like a good physician I found more information than just this clip. I read what the reporter who was with Mrs. Clinton had to say, the same reporter who Hannity claimed was “scared.” Her name is Lisa Lerer and she states she wasn’t scared and it wasn’t a seizure.

Hannity, Trump, and Giuliani might think that looking at short video clips and photos out of context is a valid way to make a diagnosis, but it is not. I’m a doctor so I get to say that, they don’t. There are a few things that can be diagnosed with a photograph when there is an adequate accompanying history. In this case, we do have that in the form of the letter released in 2015 by Mrs. Clinton’s physician. There is mention of her head injury, there is no mention of seizures.

For this clip of Mrs. Clinton to be a seizure it would have to be a simple partial seizure, which can leave the person conscious throughout the episode. That’s really a long shot as it doesn’t look like that and given how lucid Clinton was it really doesn’t seem possible that it could be seizure activity. Mrs. Clinton does have a history of concussion in 2012 and head injury is a risk factor for simple partial seizures, but she was monitored extensively after her head injury. She had double vision (this resolved in 2 months) and this symptom would have been worked up extensively. She would have had brain imaging at least twice (once when the sinus thrombosis was diagnosed and the other that showed resolution), but probably more than twice. She would have been evaluated by a neurologist at least once, but probably more than once given she was Secretary of State. As she disclosed her double vision there would be no reason to suspect she would have failed to disclose other symptoms.

Screen Shot 2016-08-21 at 10.35.35 PM

Let’s also consider the hours and hours and hours of video that exist of Clinton and the years she has spent in the pubic eye. She was recorded for 11 hours straight during her hearing on Benghazi, she has participated in Presidential debates, she campaigned for the Democratic nomination twice, she’s been in meetings in the White House Situation Room, she’s negotiated with world leaders. There are few people save other Presidents, world leaders, and some rock stars and actors who have spent more time in front of the public and press in high-pressure and stressful situations. We even know when she goes to Chipotle, so if Mrs. Clinton had previously experienced seizure activity or was seeking medical care for seizures it simply couldn’t be unknown.

For Mrs. Clinton to have a secret form of simple partial seizures one would have to believe this video clip is a seizure, which it isn’t, ignore the thousands upon thousands of witnessed hours Mrs. Clinton has spent in high pressure situations, believe the doctors who closely evaluated her after her concussion missed the seizures or are hiding them, and then believe that her personal physician was lying in the letter or that Mrs. Clinton, a woman who is followed everywhere by reporters and has been for years, secretly sees a neurologist under the table paying cash to avoid a paper trail.

You don’t need to be a doctor to say Mrs. Clinton doesn’t have seizures, you just have to be able to read English and have common sense.

With all this in mind any person who still truly believes this video is evidence of a seizure or that it in someway supports a health conspiracy could possibly be suffering from paranoia and might want to see a doctor to have those symptoms evaluated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Discussion

13 thoughts on “I’m a doctor and there is no evidence that HiIlary Clinton has a secret illness or seizures

  1. Strange that none of these `Drs` have MD after their names . Oops , sorry , their diplomas were from Trump University . /s

    Posted by Jim | August 22, 2016, 2:33 am
  2. Let’s also consider how she smiled throughout the whole thing and then launched into coherent speech immediately after her silly, admittedly overdramatic gestures.

    Here’s the video from another angle, showing just how “scared” Lisa Lerer really was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtU5nMbEsQ4

    Posted by Sabura | August 22, 2016, 3:27 am
  3. Good read!

    It’s just worthless conspiracists as per usual.

    Posted by Loretta | August 22, 2016, 3:33 am
  4. I am a neurologist who specializes in seizure disorders. I concur that the two or three video clips I saw shown on TV do not show anything that looks like seizures. They sure can make a person look goofy when they slow them way down or loop them over and over, but these right-wing conspiracy nuts don’t need any special effects to look goofy.

    Posted by ACB, MD | August 22, 2016, 4:43 am
  5. I hate to say it but if Mrs. Clinton had a penis, I doubt any of this would be news worthy. SMDH (as if I’m having a seizure.)

    Posted by Erin | August 22, 2016, 6:01 am
  6. I’m an ophthalmologist and my guess at the time of her diplopia (she had a fresnel prism on her glasses at the time of her testimony), was that she had a temporary 4th nerve palsy due to the head trauma and that it would resolve…which it did. This is not indicative of any permanent brain problem. I’ve seen it before. Not a worry except for the patient at the time as double vision is troublesome.

    Posted by Catharine Crockett, MD | August 22, 2016, 6:58 am
  7. Lib

    Posted by bh | August 23, 2016, 9:02 am
  8. I see that she is anti-coagulated now as a precaution. This suggests t me that the dehydration caused the lateral venous sinus thrombosis, rather than the thrombosis being the result of a head injury.

    Concussion is a retrospective diagnosis; a short lived period of unconsciousness followed by rapid and complete recovery, certainly less than two months. Double vision for two months isn’t a rapid recovery, and I don’t think I’d call what happened to her a concussion. Certainly, she seems to have had a minor head injury, but this seems to be superimposed on the lateral venous thrombosis; the thrombosis might account for the double vision, and for the faint that occasioned the head injury. But the given details are too scanty to come to firm conclusions.

    There is no evidence that she is epileptic – any more than all of us, for we all epileptic; it just takes the appropriate stimulus, and a fit or seizure can be produced in any one.

    Posted by korhomme | August 23, 2016, 9:18 am
    • Another thought. The Docs say that she was anti-coagulated “to dissolve the clot”. Anti-coagulants do not dissolve clots; they are given to prevent the clot getting bigger or extending. Natural processes then dissolve the clot over a period of weeks to months. “Clot Busters” such as streptokinase do dissolve clots, but she doesn’t seem to have received these.

      Posted by korhomme | August 23, 2016, 12:43 pm
  9. Thank you for pointing out the truth and being our fact finder.

    Posted by afetish | August 23, 2016, 3:06 pm
  10. Just a typo. :)”hours of video that exist of Clinton and the years she has spent in the pubic eye.” I really like your articles, Dr. Gunter. Thank you!-Dalila

    From: Dr. Jen Gunter To: dalila_y@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 11:08 PM Subject: [New post] I’m a doctor and there is no evidence that HiIlary Clinton has a secret illness or seizures #yiv8473198350 a:hover {color:red;}#yiv8473198350 a {text-decoration:none;color:#0088cc;}#yiv8473198350 a.yiv8473198350primaryactionlink:link, #yiv8473198350 a.yiv8473198350primaryactionlink:visited {background-color:#2585B2;color:#fff;}#yiv8473198350 a.yiv8473198350primaryactionlink:hover, #yiv8473198350 a.yiv8473198350primaryactionlink:active {background-color:#11729E;color:#fff;}#yiv8473198350 WordPress.com | Dr. Jen Gunter posted: “The assertion that Hillary Clinton has undisclosed health issues is moving from the fringes of the Internet to the mainstream.Trump, Fox News, and even Dr. Drew have been fanning the flames. Sean Hannity displayed his obsession with a video clip of Cl” | |

    Posted by D A | August 23, 2016, 6:35 pm
  11. My question is, even if she had seizures, so what? Chief Justice John Roberts has epilepsy. (He undisputedly meets the diagnostic criteria of two unprovoked seizures, as he’s had two in public.) Having epilepsy hasn’t prevented him from doing his job.

    I understand that you’re demonstrating that the supposed evidence of Clinton’s seizure doesn’t actually show her having a seizure. In doing so, however, you’ve inadvertently given the impression that whether someone has had seizures is relevant to whether they can be a good president.

    There is enough discrimination against people with seizure disorders already. For example, there was a radio commentator who blamed Roberts’ Obamacare decision on epilepsy medication, saying that those medications caused cognitive problems. Dr. Grumpy had a good blog post on this.

    http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2012/07/things-that-make-me-grumpy.html

    Posted by FH | August 25, 2016, 9:51 pm

Trackbacks/Pingbacks

  1. Pingback: Hillary Clinton almost fainted. I’m a doctor. It’s really o.k. | Dr. Jen Gunter - September 11, 2016

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Recent Tweets

%d bloggers like this: